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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, 

I found you by chance, looking for a .pdf of &quot;The Devil and Dan&#039;l Webster.&quot; I&#039;m so glad I dropped in, because this is a terrific post, and is very inspiring. 
I&#039;m not a lawyer (I don&#039;t have any young to eat) but your post is relevant to about any endeavor I can think of. 

Thanks, 

Brian (a.k.a. Professor Homunculus at MathMojo.com )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, </p>
<p>I found you by chance, looking for a .pdf of &#8220;The Devil and Dan&#8217;l Webster.&#8221; I&#8217;m so glad I dropped in, because this is a terrific post, and is very inspiring.<br />
I&#8217;m not a lawyer (I don&#8217;t have any young to eat) but your post is relevant to about any endeavor I can think of. </p>
<p>Thanks, </p>
<p>Brian (a.k.a. Professor Homunculus at MathMojo.com )</p>
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		<title>By: Ian-Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian-Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just purchased your book and hope it ...I will be able to help myself with the help of Your arguments or  thoughts.

   I used to be an animal control officer... and for  fear from management that as I was getting credibility in  front of the courts, they were losing their control on me for I was questionning some motivations and legal resonings,    and political 
reasons  I was  dismissed.  I&#039;m apealing this decision at the labour board  and I&#039;m facing pressures and personal attacks from all part (union,employer and colleagues)   But I&#039;m triying to keep my passion and find it surprising that you say to have passion when we debate and argue. I always thought that it was imperative to keep My feelings out of it but after hearing you on the podcast of Layer2layer I realized that to make effective arguments and to be a good comunicator I need feelings.

  Thx and I am looking foward to reding more on your blog and finishing the book.

                                                                   Ian-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just purchased your book and hope it &#8230;I will be able to help myself with the help of Your arguments or  thoughts.</p>
<p>   I used to be an animal control officer&#8230; and for  fear from management that as I was getting credibility in  front of the courts, they were losing their control on me for I was questionning some motivations and legal resonings,    and political<br />
reasons  I was  dismissed.  I&#8217;m apealing this decision at the labour board  and I&#8217;m facing pressures and personal attacks from all part (union,employer and colleagues)   But I&#8217;m triying to keep my passion and find it surprising that you say to have passion when we debate and argue. I always thought that it was imperative to keep My feelings out of it but after hearing you on the podcast of Layer2layer I realized that to make effective arguments and to be a good comunicator I need feelings.</p>
<p>  Thx and I am looking foward to reding more on your blog and finishing the book.</p>
<p>                                                                   Ian-P</p>
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		<title>By: gerryspence</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerryspence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victoria:  Thank you for your thoughtful comment.  You are right:  We cannot ask a jury to care for our client if we do not.  

I say that caring is contagious.  

It is hard sometimes to find something good, something we can care for in some of our clients.  This is particularly true in death penalty cases.  

When I ask you to find something in that twisted, often hateful, more often emotionally injured human being to care about, to fight for, I am asking the most from one human being to another.  It is a noble gift given by a real person.  It makes me proud of our profession and you. 

But caring for such as these, the lowest, often the most hated and reviled, is dangerous.  We may lose the case.  Then the pain sets in.  

The risk one takes in the defense of a death penalty case is almost unfathomable to most lay persons.  It is a risk to our own emotional well being.  Yet, unless we take the risk of caring, we have little to honestly say to a jury.

My deep respect for what you do.

Gerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victoria:  Thank you for your thoughtful comment.  You are right:  We cannot ask a jury to care for our client if we do not.  </p>
<p>I say that caring is contagious.  </p>
<p>It is hard sometimes to find something good, something we can care for in some of our clients.  This is particularly true in death penalty cases.  </p>
<p>When I ask you to find something in that twisted, often hateful, more often emotionally injured human being to care about, to fight for, I am asking the most from one human being to another.  It is a noble gift given by a real person.  It makes me proud of our profession and you. </p>
<p>But caring for such as these, the lowest, often the most hated and reviled, is dangerous.  We may lose the case.  Then the pain sets in.  </p>
<p>The risk one takes in the defense of a death penalty case is almost unfathomable to most lay persons.  It is a risk to our own emotional well being.  Yet, unless we take the risk of caring, we have little to honestly say to a jury.</p>
<p>My deep respect for what you do.</p>
<p>Gerry</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerry,

It took awhile but you made me a believer.  I came to your death penalty trial college in March of &#039;06.

I wasn&#039;t really sure about all of this &quot;touchy-feely&quot;, &quot;love your client&quot; stuff you were spouting.  The psycho drama(s) and role playing, didn&#039;t see much value in it at the time.   I was a hardened ex cop, a seasoned public defender, and thought as long as I was prepared I would do a good job.  I thought that i could distance myself and not emotionally invest in the client or case...and still do a good job.

But something happened along the way.  I wanted to win, at first for my ego, but as the years passed and I got to know my clients and their families, I wanted to win because I wanted them to LIVE.

I really had an epiphany that came from opening myself up to the family&#039;s pain, fear, anxiety, hurt...there was no way I could make the jury feel them, if I couldn&#039;t feel them.   I couldn&#039;t argue for a life if I didn&#039;t care about that life.  Care for caring&#039;s sake...not for professional gratification or the ego stroke of saying, &quot; i got a life verdict&quot;.

I realized that part of my reluctance to care was being a woman in the profession.  I didn&#039;t want to fit some &quot;earth mother&quot; nurturing stereotype; part of my reluctance was being Black..i didn&#039;t want to fit into some &quot;anti establishment, revolutionary&quot; stereotype.  Then I thought....&quot;who gives a damn&quot; if caring about my clients and wanting them to live means i fit some stereotype of &quot;blackness&quot; or &quot;femaleness&quot;...who cares?

My practice changed dramatically.  I learned to listen effectively, to hear what my client&#039;s were telling me.  Oh, i still had my moments of flipness and glibness, but not so much.  The defensive walls i put up were not necessary.

I realized that if my client got the death penalty, I would be devastated...not because i &quot;lost&quot; but because a i cared.  I used to think being a capital lawyer was my job, now i realize it is my calling.

Thank you for giving me permission to love, to care, to feel, to do all of those things and not feel weak.  

I get it!

Sincerely,

Victoria E. Washington
Capital Litigation Attorney
Phoenix, Arizona</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerry,</p>
<p>It took awhile but you made me a believer.  I came to your death penalty trial college in March of &#8216;06.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t really sure about all of this &#8220;touchy-feely&#8221;, &#8220;love your client&#8221; stuff you were spouting.  The psycho drama(s) and role playing, didn&#8217;t see much value in it at the time.   I was a hardened ex cop, a seasoned public defender, and thought as long as I was prepared I would do a good job.  I thought that i could distance myself and not emotionally invest in the client or case&#8230;and still do a good job.</p>
<p>But something happened along the way.  I wanted to win, at first for my ego, but as the years passed and I got to know my clients and their families, I wanted to win because I wanted them to LIVE.</p>
<p>I really had an epiphany that came from opening myself up to the family&#8217;s pain, fear, anxiety, hurt&#8230;there was no way I could make the jury feel them, if I couldn&#8217;t feel them.   I couldn&#8217;t argue for a life if I didn&#8217;t care about that life.  Care for caring&#8217;s sake&#8230;not for professional gratification or the ego stroke of saying, &#8221; i got a life verdict&#8221;.</p>
<p>I realized that part of my reluctance to care was being a woman in the profession.  I didn&#8217;t want to fit some &#8220;earth mother&#8221; nurturing stereotype; part of my reluctance was being Black..i didn&#8217;t want to fit into some &#8220;anti establishment, revolutionary&#8221; stereotype.  Then I thought&#8230;.&#8221;who gives a damn&#8221; if caring about my clients and wanting them to live means i fit some stereotype of &#8220;blackness&#8221; or &#8220;femaleness&#8221;&#8230;who cares?</p>
<p>My practice changed dramatically.  I learned to listen effectively, to hear what my client&#8217;s were telling me.  Oh, i still had my moments of flipness and glibness, but not so much.  The defensive walls i put up were not necessary.</p>
<p>I realized that if my client got the death penalty, I would be devastated&#8230;not because i &#8220;lost&#8221; but because a i cared.  I used to think being a capital lawyer was my job, now i realize it is my calling.</p>
<p>Thank you for giving me permission to love, to care, to feel, to do all of those things and not feel weak.  </p>
<p>I get it!</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Victoria E. Washington<br />
Capital Litigation Attorney<br />
Phoenix, Arizona</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While researching attorneys online I came across your blog and started reading this one in particular.  I&#039;m a simple layman who knows enough about the law to be dangerous! LOL!  But the one paragraph that basically said some lawyers are so busy they do not provide adequate  defence for their clients struck me so hard!! So being the blog fanatic I&#039;am decide to just leave my two cents worth!  It seems we as a family are stuck in just that situation you have written about, as we speak.  My son is currently incarcerated, and is being accused of a crime that they have NO and I mean NONE, zip, zero evidence to say he committed this crime.  Now I don&#039;t want to sound like one of those mothers who say their child does no wrong, trust me on this one I would be the first one to tell him you do the crime then do your time! But his PD has encouraged him to plead guilty.  As she put it to him &#039;because they need someone to pay for it and you are the only one they have.&quot;  Why Sir when lawyers make an oath to uphold the law do they send the disadvantaged to the chopping block?? Isn&#039;t the system supposed to work for someone like me or my son?? And isn&#039;t winning what every lawyer wants?  I&#039;m confused and have lost faith in our justice system.  It seems as you put it,  it is only there for those with money. How sad that we may have a million wonderful young men out there just like my son whose only crime was to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.  So if there happens to any Law students or your lawyer friends out there who read this, I have a message for you.... remember in your quest for greatness remember us little guys.  We have loved ones too and feel they deserve the same rights as the big guy with all the money.  Thank you sir for letting me vent!! Ok now back to my research! Wish me luck! Dosent seen there&#039;s to many Lawyers out there who want to do probono or I dont know where to look! LOL! Good luck with your blog and I will drop by. Your not far from where we live so your some what of a local legend around here!  Again good luck sir and thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While researching attorneys online I came across your blog and started reading this one in particular.  I&#8217;m a simple layman who knows enough about the law to be dangerous! LOL!  But the one paragraph that basically said some lawyers are so busy they do not provide adequate  defence for their clients struck me so hard!! So being the blog fanatic I&#8217;am decide to just leave my two cents worth!  It seems we as a family are stuck in just that situation you have written about, as we speak.  My son is currently incarcerated, and is being accused of a crime that they have NO and I mean NONE, zip, zero evidence to say he committed this crime.  Now I don&#8217;t want to sound like one of those mothers who say their child does no wrong, trust me on this one I would be the first one to tell him you do the crime then do your time! But his PD has encouraged him to plead guilty.  As she put it to him &#8216;because they need someone to pay for it and you are the only one they have.&#8221;  Why Sir when lawyers make an oath to uphold the law do they send the disadvantaged to the chopping block?? Isn&#8217;t the system supposed to work for someone like me or my son?? And isn&#8217;t winning what every lawyer wants?  I&#8217;m confused and have lost faith in our justice system.  It seems as you put it,  it is only there for those with money. How sad that we may have a million wonderful young men out there just like my son whose only crime was to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.  So if there happens to any Law students or your lawyer friends out there who read this, I have a message for you&#8230;. remember in your quest for greatness remember us little guys.  We have loved ones too and feel they deserve the same rights as the big guy with all the money.  Thank you sir for letting me vent!! Ok now back to my research! Wish me luck! Dosent seen there&#8217;s to many Lawyers out there who want to do probono or I dont know where to look! LOL! Good luck with your blog and I will drop by. Your not far from where we live so your some what of a local legend around here!  Again good luck sir and thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jo-Hanna Read</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo-Hanna Read</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerry-

Much as I love you, I hope you will not accept the title of &quot;God&quot;. Maybe small-g &quot;god&quot;, but not the Big Guy.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerry-</p>
<p>Much as I love you, I hope you will not accept the title of &#8220;God&#8221;. Maybe small-g &#8220;god&#8221;, but not the Big Guy.</p>
<p> <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Gerry - how have you been enjoying your adventures in blogging so far, now that you&#039;ve been at it for a couple weeks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Gerry &#8211; how have you been enjoying your adventures in blogging so far, now that you&#8217;ve been at it for a couple weeks?</p>
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		<title>By: gerryspence</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerryspence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jules, you have said this exactly right.  If you follow your passion the money will take care of itself, that is if you can pay the rent for a while.  Thanks,

Gerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jules, you have said this exactly right.  If you follow your passion the money will take care of itself, that is if you can pay the rent for a while.  Thanks,</p>
<p>Gerry</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerry, I attended the Trial Lawyers College in 1995.   If I learned anything at your school it is that proper preparation is a time-consuming, yet necessary task before a lawyer steps into a courtroom and answers ready for trial.  How then to accept and handle cases that do not generate much money but simply “turns one on?”  I think the answer is to be found in my second great love, the movies.  Aficionados of art films are aware that such films often have major stars, even though they are completed on miniscule budgets.  The reason is that the actors in those films are working for scale – not doing it for the money - but simply because they love the story that is at the heart of the film.  I think we lawyers can do the same thing by keeping our case load small, but by also keeping it balanced.  While a lawyer cannot forget the bottom line, there is also no sin in taking a case now and then simply because one loves that case.  In the end, the reward might be greater than money - the fulfillment of a previously unsatisfied craving for justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerry, I attended the Trial Lawyers College in 1995.   If I learned anything at your school it is that proper preparation is a time-consuming, yet necessary task before a lawyer steps into a courtroom and answers ready for trial.  How then to accept and handle cases that do not generate much money but simply “turns one on?”  I think the answer is to be found in my second great love, the movies.  Aficionados of art films are aware that such films often have major stars, even though they are completed on miniscule budgets.  The reason is that the actors in those films are working for scale – not doing it for the money &#8211; but simply because they love the story that is at the heart of the film.  I think we lawyers can do the same thing by keeping our case load small, but by also keeping it balanced.  While a lawyer cannot forget the bottom line, there is also no sin in taking a case now and then simply because one loves that case.  In the end, the reward might be greater than money &#8211; the fulfillment of a previously unsatisfied craving for justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Irish warriors used to fight the English completely naked. When the vast English armies realized the naked-screaming Irish were rushing them absent any armor; they were terrified of the &quot;possessed-madmen.&quot; 
They turned tail and ran. 
Going to war without armor (the masks we wear)has worked for centuries.
Thank you for teaching us that historical reality.
Love You</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Irish warriors used to fight the English completely naked. When the vast English armies realized the naked-screaming Irish were rushing them absent any armor; they were terrified of the &#8220;possessed-madmen.&#8221;<br />
They turned tail and ran.<br />
Going to war without armor (the masks we wear)has worked for centuries.<br />
Thank you for teaching us that historical reality.<br />
Love You</p>
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