Comments on: The wild horse and the red minnow http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/ Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:38:07 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Jacque http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-2423 Jacque Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:20:35 +0000 http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-2423 The trinity of East coast Blog Meisters, the Simpleton Injustice Blog, with others are a cult of sharks. I suppose such sharks come in all kind of shades, feeding on the little minnows gullibility So much floats around in the sea of bloggy water, one needs a homing device to find safe harbors. The trinity of East coast Blog Meisters, the Simpleton Injustice Blog, with others are a cult of sharks. I suppose such sharks come in
all kind of shades, feeding on the little minnows
gullibility
So much floats around in the sea of bloggy water, one needs a homing device to find safe
harbors.

]]> By: Red Sheep28 http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1698 Red Sheep28 Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:44:50 +0000 http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1698 Why pick on priests, Bishops, men of the cloth, Vets, taxpayers, citizens, who pay the freight, just because George Bush--W--, Barney Frank, and Dick Cheney were draft evaders, and probably your heros. That hardly gives you special standing to get up on your high horse and give your sermons to other, as if you think any who express a belief in God, are somehow disqualified to hold any rational thougths in their head, or valid feelings about life, or other aspects of being human. Your brand of dogma is just some warmed over hash of nihlism, parading around under the banner of superiority, like a Pink KKK, with no hoods, as if giving pretext to look down your nose, and then play off of that Harvard Yard spin off, and the Dali. I am proud to be a Knights of Columbus, and to support all the good things they do. They support dignity of life. Futhermore, one can can a tax deduction for serving the Knights, as a qualified orginization. You can believe what you want, you can believe that any who belong to some religion are nuts, or sheep-like, or what ever you want. I belong to the Knights to do community service work. I don't go for all that is in its K of C literatute, anymore than i do from what I read in the New York Times. Why is Dick Cheney picking on person(s) to have them arrested if they disagree with his "disgusting" policies in Iraq ? What religion is that of Cheney that makes him so holier than thou ? You opened this can of worms, so now will it be smothered under a blanket of silence, so citizens really don't count in America in assorted forums, places, and tribunals, and the civic cyber squares. Dick Cheney and Alan Simpson make Wyoming look like Northern Ireland, as if they are the Orange order, and most people in Wyoming are some serfs, merely to be exploited. You don't see the Cheney or Simpson kids in the front lines-- GREEN Zones--now do you, what lesson does that reflect about PARTY Political CLASS in America. I just hope now that Simpson --his Clique--don't seek to strip the Knights( K of C) of any tax exempt status, just becasue I shoot off my mouth, here. For all i know some in the K of C just as soon I am not so out spoken, but they want us to be part of the public square in America. Why pick on priests, Bishops, men of the cloth, Vets, taxpayers, citizens, who pay the freight, just because George Bush–W–, Barney Frank, and Dick Cheney were draft evaders, and probably your heros. That hardly gives you special standing to get up on your high horse and give your sermons to other, as if you think any who express a belief in God, are somehow disqualified to hold any rational thougths in their head, or valid feelings about life, or other aspects of being human.
Your brand of dogma is just some warmed over hash of nihlism, parading around under the banner of superiority, like a Pink KKK, with no hoods, as if
giving pretext to look down your nose, and then play off of that Harvard Yard spin off, and the Dali.
I am proud to be a Knights of Columbus, and
to support all the good things they do.
They support dignity of life. Futhermore, one can can a tax deduction for serving the Knights, as a qualified orginization.
You can believe what you want, you can believe that any who belong to some religion are nuts, or sheep-like, or what ever you want.
I belong to the Knights to do community service work. I don’t go for all that is in its K of C literatute, anymore than i do from what I read in the New York Times.
Why is Dick Cheney picking on person(s) to have them arrested if they disagree with his “disgusting” policies in Iraq ?
What religion is that of Cheney that makes him so holier than thou ?
You opened this can of worms, so now will it be smothered under a blanket of silence, so citizens really don’t count in America in assorted forums, places, and tribunals, and the civic cyber squares.
Dick Cheney and Alan Simpson make Wyoming look like Northern Ireland, as if they are the Orange order, and most people in Wyoming are some serfs, merely to be exploited.
You don’t see the Cheney or Simpson kids in the front lines– GREEN Zones–now do you, what lesson does that reflect about PARTY Political CLASS in America.
I just hope now that Simpson –his Clique–don’t seek to strip the Knights( K of C) of any tax exempt status, just becasue I shoot off my mouth, here.
For all i know some in the K of C just as soon I am not so out spoken, but they want us to be part of the public square in America.

]]> By: BlackSwan13 http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1493 BlackSwan13 Mon, 11 May 2009 23:44:05 +0000 http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1493 Why pick on Barney Frank? George Bush? Dick Cheney? I think I made my point Why pick on Barney Frank? George Bush? Dick Cheney? I think I made my point

]]> By: Karl http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1478 Karl Fri, 08 May 2009 01:55:55 +0000 http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1478 I suppose as long as there are cheat flat screens, and politicans who tell use we must give trillions to bankers to stimulate the economy, a revolution will be avoided--temp wise. Ya, not like those pesants in Ireland who burned down the Duke, and the Earls, and the Royal's grand houses. No, we wouldn't want to get too uncouth, now would we, with all that height of noble civility in our realm, pure reason of the unGodly, who gave us Stalin, and Marx, one set of dogma, trafficing on the heels of the last one. Of course, the USA needs a strong military, to defend the way of life of Barney Frank, and certain politicans, who would never lower themselves to serve in Viet Nam, and etc. I suppose as long as there are cheat flat screens, and
politicans who tell use we must give trillions to bankers to stimulate the economy, a revolution will be avoided–temp wise.
Ya, not like those pesants in Ireland who burned down the Duke, and the Earls, and the Royal’s grand houses.
No, we wouldn’t want to get too uncouth, now would we, with all that height of noble civility in our realm, pure reason of the unGodly, who gave us Stalin, and Marx, one set of dogma, trafficing on the heels of the last one.
Of course, the USA needs a strong military, to defend the way of life of Barney Frank, and certain politicans, who would never lower themselves to serve in Viet Nam, and etc.

]]> By: BlackSwan13 http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1471 BlackSwan13 Wed, 06 May 2009 13:20:22 +0000 http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1471 I know there are many good people in church. But, at some point, those who are in power who have held you back from thinking have to be confronted. Matt Taibbi wrote "Actual rich people can’t ever be the target. It’s a classic peasant mentality: going into fits of groveling and bowing whenever the master’s carriage rides by, then fuming against the Turks in Crimea or the Jews in the Pale or whoever after spending fifteen hard hours in the fields. You know you’re a peasant when you worship the very people who are right now, this minute, conning you and taking your shit. Whatever the master does, you’re on board. When you get frisky, he sticks a big cross in the middle of your village, and you spend the rest of your life praying to it with big googly eyes. Or he puts out newspapers full of innuendo about this or that faraway group and you immediately salute and rush off to join the hate squad. A good peasant is loyal, simpleminded, and full of misdirected anger. And that’s what we’ve got now, a lot of misdirected anger searching around for a non-target to mis-punish . . . can’t be mad at AIG, can’t be mad at Citi or Goldman Sachs. The real villains have to be the anti-AIG protesters! After all, those people earned those bonuses! If ever there was a textbook case of peasant thinking, it’s struggling middle-class Americans burned up in defense of taxpayer-funded bonuses to millionaires. It’s really weird stuff." Watch Constantine's Sword - great documentary of why we have such a loyal military in the midst of lunacy. I know there are many good people in church. But, at some point, those who are in power who have held you back from thinking have to be confronted. Matt Taibbi wrote “Actual rich people can’t ever be the target. It’s a classic peasant mentality: going into fits of groveling and bowing whenever the master’s carriage rides by, then fuming against the Turks in Crimea or the Jews in the Pale or whoever after spending fifteen hard hours in the fields. You know you’re a peasant when you worship the very people who are right now, this minute, conning you and taking your shit. Whatever the master does, you’re on board. When you get frisky, he sticks a big cross in the middle of your village, and you spend the rest of your life praying to it with big googly eyes. Or he puts out newspapers full of innuendo about this or that faraway group and you immediately salute and rush off to join the hate squad. A good peasant is loyal, simpleminded, and full of misdirected anger. And that’s what we’ve got now, a lot of misdirected anger searching around for a non-target to mis-punish . . . can’t be mad at AIG, can’t be mad at Citi or Goldman Sachs. The real villains have to be the anti-AIG protesters! After all, those people earned those bonuses! If ever there was a textbook case of peasant thinking, it’s struggling middle-class Americans burned up in defense of taxpayer-funded bonuses to millionaires. It’s really weird stuff.”
Watch Constantine’s Sword – great documentary of why we have such a loyal military in the midst of lunacy.

]]> By: Lansing http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1456 Lansing Sun, 03 May 2009 00:04:20 +0000 http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1456 The SS elite Nazi units were very well educated(the most educated in Germany in the 1930's). And, we are told of Hilter's Pope(by some Yale Professor). Tell that to the many American Catholics, who left their guts, and limbs and parts of themselve on Omaha Bearch, or the battle fields of Europe, those church goers from Boston, New York and Chicago with sur-names of Polish heritage, or Irish lineage. The Book "Black Mass"( another title) about the mob in Boston, who was in cahoots with the FBI rouge cons, who set up murders of informers.(one FBI guy now in jail for a long time for his stints---obstruction of justice( among many back stabbing pursuits). I suppose since the FBI most wanted, Whitey Bulger, was an altar boy once( in his early days), he is Exhibit numbero Uno--but for what--being a non-conformer. He is some animal indeed, but it is his brother, the Mass Legislator that is the so called shining star in the education area. Many used to believe in the Bunny Rabbit, leaving loose change when one lost their temp teeth at childhood, and Santa Claus, and life is filled with many myths for people to believe in. I never believed I was an arm of the state, or that it owned my being, any aspect of it..... & explotation of people come in many forms, it is not just from non-secular institutions. As I read B-Swans piece he states: "it (the church) will do ......anything to stop you from thinking" .(April 13, 2009). Context following B-Swans notation he was an educator and minister. Maybe that was a reference to other men of the cloth and educators, in general, some broad brush. Yes, that old history on when the Pope-ship was split is fasinating. There are many good people who go to church, not all can be branded with some broad-brush, the same slam could be used on civics, and sheep. Where were all the German lawyers, when Hilter was coming to power---in some beer halls, or what ?? Where were all the Oxford educated when the Irish citizens were being starved, as food stuffs were being exported out of Ireland ? Yes, history goes to the victor who can rewrite it, and indeed is it revised by the most powerful doing their bidding as upper crust uber educated. Another Black Mass book, was not by Gray, but it showed a dark side of power gone astray, and it was in the DOJ/ FBI, at the high levers of Government. Having said the foregoing, all people should study history, keep their mind open, and question, and not be sheep-like. That goes to civics, as well as all other aspects of life. I once was an altar boy, then I joined the Knights of Columbus to help clean up the streets as a civics project. I may be a quasi atheist, still in the fold, but do so because I frockle with the salt of the earth, from all walks of life. They never ask what I really believe at a point in time, or give some litmus test, or screen test. I do not have to sign an annual certification that I believe Jesus rose from the dead, or that .... So far I have not been found out. Who really knows what they deep down believe, when one goes to the core of things ? The SS elite Nazi units were very well educated(the most educated in Germany in the 1930’s).
And, we are told of Hilter’s Pope(by some Yale Professor). Tell that to the many American Catholics, who left their guts, and limbs and parts of themselve on Omaha Bearch, or the battle fields of Europe, those church goers from Boston, New York and Chicago with sur-names of Polish heritage, or Irish lineage.
The Book “Black Mass”( another title) about the mob in Boston, who was in cahoots with the FBI rouge cons, who set up murders of informers.(one FBI guy now in jail for a long time for his stints—obstruction of justice( among many back stabbing pursuits).
I suppose since the FBI most wanted, Whitey Bulger, was an altar boy once( in his early days), he is Exhibit numbero Uno–but for what–being a non-conformer. He is some animal indeed, but it is his brother, the Mass Legislator that is the so called shining star in the education area. Many used to believe in the Bunny Rabbit, leaving loose change when one lost their temp teeth at childhood, and Santa Claus, and life is filled with many myths for people to believe in.
I never believed I was an arm of the state, or that it owned my being, any aspect of it….. & explotation of people come in many forms, it is not just from non-secular institutions.
As I read B-Swans piece he states: “it (the church) will do ……anything to stop you from thinking” .(April 13, 2009). Context following B-Swans notation he was an educator and minister.
Maybe that was a reference to other men of the cloth and educators, in general, some broad brush.
Yes, that old history on when the Pope-ship was split is fasinating.
There are many good people who go to church, not all can be branded with some broad-brush,
the same slam could be used on civics, and sheep.
Where were all the German lawyers, when Hilter was coming to power—in some beer halls, or what ??
Where were all the Oxford educated when the Irish citizens were being starved, as food stuffs were being exported out of Ireland ?
Yes, history goes to the victor who can rewrite it, and indeed is it revised by the most powerful doing their bidding as upper crust uber educated. Another Black Mass book, was not by Gray, but it showed a dark side of power gone astray, and it was in the DOJ/ FBI, at the high levers of Government.
Having said the foregoing, all people should study history, keep their mind open, and question, and not be sheep-like.
That goes to civics, as well as all other aspects of life.
I once was an altar boy, then I joined the Knights of Columbus to help clean up the streets as a civics project. I may be a quasi atheist, still in the fold, but do so because I frockle with the salt of the earth, from all walks of life.
They never ask what I really believe at a point in time, or give some litmus test, or screen test.
I do not have to sign an annual certification that I believe Jesus rose from the dead, or that ….
So far I have not been found out. Who really knows what they deep down believe, when one goes to the core of things ?

]]> By: BlackSwan13 http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1394 BlackSwan13 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:18:57 +0000 http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1394 Charlie: Did I engage in stopping people from thinking? The defensive answer is no. The reality is yes. By participating in a deceptive group, and even within it trying to educate, you become part of the larger group. If you are, in the story of the wild horse and the red minnow, trying not to conform you will not stay in the church very long. It is an institution designed to make people conform and as such contributes nothing to those who want to not conform and help others to not be sucked into conforming. What is wrong with believing what you want? Think of the Taliban and you have the answer to your question. Think of the various sects in America today and you have your answer. Women and children suppressed, to say the least. One other thing is that the last church where I was a minister over 40% of its families had an education of a Masters or Phd - from theologians, philosophers, historians, chemists, physicists, to doctors, dentists and even some of Gerry types - lawyers. I agree that there are many educated people in the church. Try to educate them about the history and reality of their religion and the attacks will begin. Now, after I was in a fundamentalist church I thought maybe I could find a place in the Episcopalian church, after all it is supposedly not as dogmatic. Knowing the history of the Nicean creed I could not say it so I stood and just bowed my head every Sunday, trying to just be polite while the congregation like robots repeated something they knew nothing about. It amazed me that "educated" people never even studied the history of what they were saying, and then I received as rabid responses as from fundamentalists once I pointed out the way Constantine used the vision of the sword and had the Nicean creed written to control people. It is best to break free from all means of control, religious, economic, political or whatever. There is a great book called Black Mass by John Gray that points out the danger of what people believe. The longer you dabble in believing that it is ok to believe whatever you want you are also admitting that your belief means nothing. Charlie:

Did I engage in stopping people from thinking? The defensive answer is no. The reality is yes. By participating in a deceptive group, and even within it trying to educate, you become part of the larger group. If you are, in the story of the wild horse and the red minnow, trying not to conform you will not stay in the church very long. It is an institution designed to make people conform and as such contributes nothing to those who want to not conform and help others to not be sucked into conforming.

What is wrong with believing what you want? Think of the Taliban and you have the answer to your question. Think of the various sects in America today and you have your answer. Women and children suppressed, to say the least.

One other thing is that the last church where I was a minister over 40% of its families had an education of a Masters or Phd – from theologians, philosophers, historians, chemists, physicists, to doctors, dentists and even some of Gerry types – lawyers. I agree that there are many educated people in the church. Try to educate them about the history and reality of their religion and the attacks will begin.

Now, after I was in a fundamentalist church I thought maybe I could find a place in the Episcopalian church, after all it is supposedly not as dogmatic. Knowing the history of the Nicean creed I could not say it so I stood and just bowed my head every Sunday, trying to just be polite while the congregation like robots repeated something they knew nothing about. It amazed me that “educated” people never even studied the history of what they were saying, and then I received as rabid responses as from fundamentalists once I pointed out the way Constantine used the vision of the sword and had the Nicean creed written to control people.

It is best to break free from all means of control, religious, economic, political or whatever. There is a great book called Black Mass by John Gray that points out the danger of what people believe. The longer you dabble in believing that it is ok to believe whatever you want you are also admitting that your belief means nothing.

]]> By: Speedlimit http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1384 Speedlimit Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:43:33 +0000 http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1384 How dare the Red Minnow question the gov'ts version of 9-11. We are in a period of great change now and you should enjoy this fascist's heaven. The gov't will hold you tight and make you safe, so don't worry about the weight on your shoulder. We are entering a new dawn for our loving masters and we will all bow down to the New World Order! How dare the Red Minnow question the gov’ts version of 9-11.

We are in a period of great change now and you should enjoy this fascist’s heaven.

The gov’t will hold you tight and make you safe, so don’t worry about the weight on your shoulder.

We are entering a new dawn for our loving masters and we will all bow down to the New World Order!

]]> By: Charlie http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1382 Charlie Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:18:06 +0000 http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1382 Don't most people who were raised in a church, reject it at some point( in many areas of America). And, so a lot of people go to church, what exactly is the danger, if they want to believe what they do ? So, Blackswan, how did you engage in stoping people from thinking(as a Minister) ? They are many people who go to church who are engineers, and scientists, and can think. A lot of facists are into thinking they are God like, and play savage games with the rest of society. I wish you could elaborate Blackswan, and be specific, please. Don’t most people who were raised in a church, reject it at some point( in many areas of America).
And, so a lot of people go to church, what exactly is the danger, if they want to believe what they do ?
So, Blackswan, how did you engage in stoping people from thinking(as a Minister) ?
They are many people who go to church who are engineers, and scientists, and can think.
A lot of facists are into thinking they are God like, and play savage games with the rest of society.
I wish you could elaborate Blackswan, and be specific, please.

]]> By: HERMAN KING http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1380 HERMAN KING Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:53:03 +0000 http://gerryspence.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/the-wild-horse-and-the-red-minnow/#comment-1380 Will there ever be an honest 911 commission?Even the chairmen now admit they didn't get the whole truth. An idiot should recognize that the real story of 911 is not being told by the govt and its complicit media. Will there ever be an honest 911 commission?Even the chairmen now admit they didn’t get the whole truth. An idiot should recognize that the real story of 911 is not being told by the govt and its complicit media.

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